Paper or plastic? Plastic.

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39 comments posted
your wrong

based on my research over the past few weeks you are wrong paper has much less of an impact then plastic. And another thing you have no bibliography you have no research done or sites where you got any of your information this is a poorly put together article that is very inaccurate.

Posted by Anonymous on Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:46
I very well may be wrong, but

I very well may be wrong, but unless you post here your research, we will never know.

You are right about the bibliography though. I realized that at some point, and all newer articles have links to the source materials; I am trying to retrofit the rest as well, as far as time permits.

Thank you for your comment!

Posted by andrzejc on Sun, 03/09/2014 - 22:14
Economics

Just make people pay separately for bags like they do in Europe.

The single use plastic and paper bags and the multi use cloth bags will all be available and companies can sell them for whatever the costs (economic and environmental) to make them are.

I think you would see more people using multi use cloth bags if that happened, it is what does happen in Europe where this situation is in place already.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 01/24/2014 - 14:46
Re: economics

For the producers and sellers or anything, including the plastic bags, the environmental cost is an externality - something that someone else pays, but they reap the benefit. No company in US that produces cheap plastic bag is concerned with the cost of dumping them in the ocean, landfill, or burning in the open file. The economic incentive would work only if the environmental cost is properly calculated, translated into dollars, and imposed on the producers (yes, by the government).

Posted by andrzejc on Fri, 02/07/2014 - 23:36
Paper or Plastic: The winner is Cloth re-usable.

No need to recycle. No need to have more. Sturdier. More insulated. Better.

Posted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:49
Stop the use of single use plastics

Plastics are ruining the planet. Please say no!

Posted by Anonymous on Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:28
Plastic or paper

How do I know

Posted by Anonymous on Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:02
Paper!

I say paper because it is easy to recycle, and it won't fill up our landfills.... and like some people said in these comments, it can be biodegradable which is really good for our environment.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 04/30/2013 - 19:22
PAPER IS AWSOME

I say that paper is a lot better than because plastic can choke animals and are bad for the environment.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/22/2013 - 08:37
You're wrong dude.

Recycling paper often consumes more energy than it does to make a new bag. [http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2007/05/paper_or_plastic_which_is_best.html]

The EPA has found that paper doesn't degrade much faster than plastic does in a landfill
[http://www.deq.state.mi.us/documents/deq-ess-p2-recycling-PaperPlasticSummary_2.pdf]

http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/paper-bags-bad-environment-too

Posted by Anonymous on Sun, 07/21/2013 - 22:45
Energy isn't the only thing

Energy isn't the only thing we need to worry about wasting. In recycling bags, you're reusing the paper, making your argument about how fast they degrade a moot point.

Posted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/12/2013 - 13:46
Energy isn't the only thing

Energy isn't the only thing we need to worry about wasting. In recycling bags, you're reusing the paper, making your argument about how fast they degrade a moot point.

Posted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/12/2013 - 13:46
GO TEAM PAPER!

You have probably been asked the question ‘paper or plastic’ but have you ever stopped to wonder which is better for the environment? Paper is the better option because it’s recycled more often then plastic, it’s biodegradable, and it’s a reusable resource. Plastic is recycled less, it does not biodegrade, and it’s made from an unsustainable resource.
Paper bags are recycled more often than plastic. In fact approximately 14% of paper made is later recycled, while less than 5% of plastic is recycled. A second reason to use paper is that it’s biodegradable. Plastic can only biodegrade in certain instances and even then it takes thousands of years. But one of the most reasons paper is the best choice is because it’s made from a reusable resource trees. While plastic is tapping into or petroleum resource (that means paying more at the pump).
There is one bad side to paper it releases more green house gasses then plastic but plastic releases the top five most dangerous green house gasses (not to mention for every 1kl of plastic produced 5kls of carbon monoxide is produced). A good thing about plastic is that one truck of plastic is equal to 7 trucks of paper
Since paper is biodegradable and is friendlier then plastic toward the environment I’m going to chose paper next time I go to the grocery store. So next time you go to the grocery store what will you chose paper or plastic.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 16:43
PLASTIC CARRY BAGS ARE 100% RECYCLABLE

Sorry My Opinion defer from your's:-
Plastic Bags Are 100% recyclable , and its recycled an number of times, than as of paper.
actually plastic carry bags waste is hardly 0.3% of total waste as per municipal records official. Actually we are misguided by government actually waste seen on roadside in bulk is multilayer rapers and bags which not recycleable a single time ,as multilayer industry is large scale industries and influences the government in many ways so to misguide the citizens goverment have made the victim to plastic carry bag industries & usage.Use of paper bags is way of killing down the trees.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 05/24/2013 - 02:44
Paper can not replace plastic

Paper cannot replace plastic due to the fact that plastic is used for many things that paper cannot be used as, such as, bottles and cups.

Paper would not hold liquids very well and the liquid would just soak the paper, but for plastic this does not happen.

Also because paper kills trees, but plastic doesn't.

Posted by Anonymous on Sat, 05/04/2013 - 12:54
biodegradable...

The only thing good about paper is that is "biodegradable", that is, when someone throws a piece of paper in the wild, it will be gone in a month or two (as opposed to a 10-20 years for plastic bags, as found on Google). However very little of the paper trash goes into wild, most go into the landfill. Where it stays, contributing to the mountain of trash whether it decomposes or not.

Otherwise paper creates more air pollution, uses more water, produces more liquid waste and contributes more to deforestation than plastic.

DON'T GO TEAM PAPER, I TELL YOU :)

Posted by andrzejc on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:37
well...

The disposal of bags entails additional environmental impacts. If landfilled, plastic bags are more environmentally benign than paper, as they require less space; paper occupies approximately half of overall landfill volume. Plastics (not just bags) generate 14 to 28 percent of the volume of trash in general, but because much of it can be compressed, only 9 to 12 percent of the volume of waste in landfills. Although plastics do not biodegrade, modern landfills are designed in such a way that nothing biodegrades, because the waste is isolated from air and water in order to prevent groundwater contamination and air pollution. As manufacturers have continued to make their plastic packaging thinner and lighter to save materials, the percentage of landfill volume taken up by plastics has remained steady since 1970 even as plastics have become more widely used.

http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1268.html

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:24
Paper is not a substitue of plastic

Hello All,

If anyone think paper is a substitute of plastic then it is a mistake.
Its ecological foot print is more.
Plastic is very harmful for sure.
But paper has more impact.
AND product like paper cup are not biodegradable. It have all the demarits which lies with plastic cup. Other than some more. Like cutting of trees. In US alone in 2009 16 millions trees has been chopped because of paper cup.

The people who think it can be recycled first they should know recycling has its limit. AND hardly 5-10% is recycled. In that way plastic/polythine bags can be also used for manufacturing of roads.
But truth is currently we do not have proper system to enforce its seggrigation and processing.
If a proper system is there harm with plastic can be reduced. But cost of trees because of paper can not be recovered.

Mail me on prashant.gbpec1@gmail.com for details and then we can discuss it properly

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/11/2011 - 04:30
CLOTH BAGS!!!!!!!!!

WHY DOES THIS EVEN REQUIRE A DEBATE!?!?!?!?!? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE!!! JUST USE REUSABLE CLOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:26
Cloth Bags/Paper/Plastic

Well not all people like or have cloth bags. They do not sell them things anymore...we are not old people! lol. And BTW, we are doing a debate at school...cloth is not a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, Plastic is better for the enviroment cause it does not kill trees!

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 03/27/2012 - 09:48
Are you that stupid? Calm down, Anon 3/27/12

I beg to differ, my idiotic friend. I am fourteen, and am highly aware that they do indeed sell cloth bags, you stupid, stupid moron. Perhaps if you'd look away from the toy section, you'd notice they did, and they perform quite the positive impact.
You are perhaps the biggest dunce I've ever seen online.
Please don't /ever/ join a debate club.

((Sorry for seeming so angry))

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/07/2013 - 18:10
Pesticides or oil?

Well, if it is a cotton bag, the pesticides used for the monoculture cotton cultivation kills all the "environmental friendliness" of such bags. Of course, if you use reusable plastic bags, you just destroy environment by contributing to oil spills etc.The bottom line is that unless you rigorously calculate the impact, and compare the reusable cloth bags with disposable ones, all the screaming in the world will not help...

Posted by andrzejc on Mon, 12/12/2011 - 00:12
i think plastic is better.

i think plastic is better. it's just that were to undisciplined in the manner we dispose of it.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 07/27/2010 - 16:18
Paper anytime

Paper anytime. Plastic has become a menace in Nairobi, Kenya and has greatly contributed to the increase of mosquito breeding grounds. Malaria has increased with the increase of plastic use and this is just one of the negative impacts here.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 23:46
as everyone said its right

as everyone said its right that we should stop plastic and start using jute,paper and stop receiving plastic bags from shops.we should go against poly bags and make our earth a safer place.LET'S GO!

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 06:30
Did you even read the post

Did you even read the post you are commenting on? PAPER is BAD. Plastic is good. Ugh!

Posted by zlata on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:52
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Paper is better !!!

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:20
BAD vs. WORSE

This is the wrong way to think about it. What your trying to say is that plastic is bad; paper is worse. Everything made has a negative environmental impact, some just have lesser ones than others, and some types are easier for the Earth to recover from.
On the note of what I think of the paper vs. plastic debate... I think you forgot to take into consideration composting. It's true that in a landfill setting paper and plastic would biodegrade at about the same rate - not quickly at all - due to the extreme pressure exerted. However, if the paper that is not being recycled gets composted, it would biodegrade quickly and soon be ready to help one grow some tasty veggies as homemade fertilizer (of course, you'll need other materials than paper in here as well - vegetarian food scraps and leaves are good). This also reduces the need to buy fertilizer and plant food in any type of packaging, as well as food from the grocery store eventually (less need for paper and plastic again. Yay! Of course, this is assuming a personal compost is used (simple to make a container for it out of reusing materials - Google it! There's no need to buy a plastic or wood compost bin). Still, city composts are good, too.
I suppose, in the end, it depends on what one does with their waste.
Remember: reuse, reduce; recycle!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/06/2012 - 09:23
This is the wrong way to

This is the wrong way to think about it. What your trying to say is that plastic is bad; paper is worse. Everything made has a negative environmental impact, some just have lesser ones than others, and some types are easier for the Earth to recover from.
On the note of what I think of the paper vs. plastic debate... I think you forgot to take into consideration composting. It's true that in a landfill setting paper and plastic would biodegrade at about the same rate - not quickly at all - due to the extreme pressure exerted. However, if the paper that is not being recycled gets composted, it would biodegrade quickly and soon be ready to help one grow some tasty veggies as homemade fertilizer (of course, you'll need other materials than paper in here as well - vegetarian food scraps and leaves are good). This also reduces the need to buy fertilizer and plant food in any type of packaging, as well as food from the grocery store eventually (less need for paper and plastic again. Yay! Of course, this is assuming a personal compost is used (simple to make a container for it out of reusing materials - Google it! There's no need to buy a plastic or wood compost bin). Still, city composts are good, too.
I suppose, in the end, it depends on what one does with their waste.
Remember - reuse, reduce, recycle!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/06/2012 - 09:17
Recycle

This is the wrong way to think about it. What your trying to say is that plastic is bad; paper is worse. Everything made has a negative environmental impact, some just have lesser ones than others, and some types are easier for the Earth to recover from.
On the note of what I think of the paper vs. plastic debate... I think you forgot to take into consideration composting. It's true that in a landfill setting paper and plastic would biodegrade at about the same rate - not quickly at all - due to the extreme pressure exerted. However, if the paper that is not being recycled gets composted, it would biodegrade quickly and soon be ready to help one grow some tasty veggies as homemade fertilizer (of course, you'll need other materials than paper in here as well - vegetarian food scraps and leaves are good). This also reduces the need to buy fertilizer and plant food in any type of packaging, as well as food from the grocery store eventually (less need for paper and plastic again. Yay! Of course, this is assuming a personal compost is used (simple to make a container for it out of reusing materials - Google it! There's no need to buy a plastic or wood compost bin). Still, city composts are good, too.
I suppose, in the end, it depends on what one does with their waste.
Remember - reuse, reduce, recycle!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Sun, 05/05/2013 - 08:49
PLASTICBAG

PLASTICBAGs are nonbiodegradeable and harm ENVIRONMENT
whereas paper /cloth/jute /coir BAGS are BIODEGRADEABLE
and do not harm ENVIRONMENT at all at any cost .

Paper can be recycled to make bags from newspaper /used
print matter etc , thus no addl damage is caused to environment
if paper bags are ALLOWED in market to carry articles in
lieu of PLASTICBAGS ............STOP PLASTICBAGS
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, COMMANDER SANJAY BHATT

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 01:11
Thanks for

Thanks for information.

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 10/03/2011 - 13:17
is paper bag really more sustainable?

it is true that you can down cycle paper bag. But it is also true that even when you recycle paper bags will still cost you alot more energy than creating a new plastic bag. therefore, plastic bag is more sustainable than paper.
but it is not true plastic bags are nonbiodegradeable, unfortuanatelly there isn't anything nonbiodegradeable.
and yes paper do harm environment. where do you think paper come from? trees. and how do you produce paper? you need huge amout of water and energy. where energy come from? power factory.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 05:01
No it is not

The whole point of this calculation is to show that paper grocery bags have about 10 times the negative impact on environment of the plastic bags.

Posted by andrzejc on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 10:13
Biodegradability is a small aspect of environmental impact

Biodegradability is only a small portion of the bag's impact on the environment. There is also pollution generated by paper mills to consider, the water used, the rivers polluted by chemicals, the volatile organic compounds released into air. Did you had a look at the bottomlines for the paper and the plastic bags? You could see for yourself...

Posted by andrzejc on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 07:37
I am also sharing some

I am also sharing some authentic information with you,
Both paper and plastic bags consume large amounts of natural resources and the majority will eventually end up in the landfill. Both bags can be recycled to some extent and can be utilized around the house. I’ve read several studies comparing the two choices and none of them agree. Some feel plastic is the better overall choice, others paper. It’s really tough to say. Paper may consume more resources to produce, however, it is also more recyclable than plastic if you include the fact that paper can be composted and plastic bags cannot.
In my opinion, neither one is the winner. the best choice overall is to use a reusable bag. Many are made from recycled materials or natural materials such as our cotton string bags. Depending on the style, they’ll hold from 25-40lbs and last for years. Most can be machine washed and can be kept in the car, glove compartment, purse or backpack. If your local supermarket gives you 5 cents a bag every time you use it, and you buy groceries once a week, it’ll pay for itself in about a year and a half. Most bags last for 3-10 years and beyond (I still have my original string bags that are over 10 years old and going strong). Many countries around the globe and many cities here in the US are banning the use of plastic bags at checkout or are charging for them. This makes the adoption of reusable bags are an even smarter choice.
Taking all the above information into consideration, feel confident that you’re making an informed decision the next time you’re at the grocery store. The most important thing to remember is to utilize every possible use for both the plastic and paper bags you do end up with to lengthen their life and minimize the impact on both the environment and our natural resources.

Posted by Anonymous on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 00:21
Using poly bag is much better

Using poly bag is much better than paper it just became hazardous it's bcoz we don't dispose it properly. we should learn how to disposed plastic properly it has many usage it can be recycle again and produce new product out of it and it is much cheaper than paper then the paper mill can cause more pollution in our bodies of water and a paper is came from a paper tree we will have to use lot of land to plant a paper tree to satisfied the need of paper bag.
plastic is more durable and cheaper than paper we must dispose it properly and start recycle.
And the majority of the waste is came from the kitchen not from the plastic so don't blame everything to the plastic. it is all bcoz we don't segregate the waste properly...

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 00:02
Same Topic: Paper or Plastic

One of the main points of eradicating plastic bags is to get rid of all the Great Pacific, Indian, Alantic Garbage patches and paper does that because it is biodegradeable. Since paper can be made of Hemp as it was before the Rockerfellers, Hearst and Vanderbilts put it out of business and the Marijauna in business, we certainly can more easily and more cheaply make paper bags so I see that as no problem.

Though I know of nothing now to replace plastic for many things, I believe it wouldn't be too hard to replace it with some biodegradeable or more biodegradeable product. I mean if we can create an electrical mower, anything is in our power. Open up those military patents, I am sure you will be able to find something.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:34
Plastic

Okay let's say we r not talking about grocery bags for a second. Let's say we r talking about cups. To me it depends on what u r asking the question for. A bag? A cup? A plate? But if we r talking about cups, plasic is the one to choose. U can reuse plasic as in paper u can't. Reusing helps the environment better than not. I only drink from a plastic water bottle. It helps the environment a lot. This is my oppinion though.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:06