Grocery bag, paper

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paper bag

Have you considered calculating the CEII for paper bags made from 100% recycled paper?

Posted by qing on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 14:52
What about the impact of *improper* disposal?

Is there a way to take into account impact on wildlife when waste is improperly disposed of? Either by littering, or, for example, in the Northeast US, "Waste Disposal" companies have historically been frequently owned by organized crime, and that often means "dumping in the ocean when noone's looking".

Animals will eat plastic bags if there's been food in them, and the plastic can twist in their intestines and kill them, if they're dumped in the ocean sea animals can get tangled up in them, whereas a paper bag will just rot to nothing in water, and stomach acids will break down paper that's been swallowed. Conversely, at the bottom of a modern landfill, NOTHING will biodegrade (last I read) so paper is not a win if you're going to throw it in the trash, and you better NOT litter, that's a crime in Texas.

Personally I opt for reuse and try not to use either. But it's good to know plastic is not as horrible as it's made out to be.

Posted by wbohrer on Wed, 04/22/2009 - 18:18
Re: improper disposal

You are right about that. Even though only about 85% of nation's trash ends up in landfill, we are currently assuming 100%, which is wrong. There are two possibilities: we could create a new pollutant categories as "biodegradable litter" and "non-biodegradable litter" and allocate 15% of the trash to these categories. Alternatively, we could just change slightly the "relative toxicity" of various pollutants to reflect the fact that some of them are biodegradable, and some are not.

Posted by andrzejc on Thu, 04/23/2009 - 15:21
Re: paper bag

Yes. However, currently, an increase of the recycled content in the paper causes decrease in mechanical strength of the paper, making it less suitable for bags. So the paper bags are made with various percentages of recycled content, but almost never 100% post-consumer. Therefore we used the world wide average of the recycled content for our calculations.

In any case, 100% post consumer recycled paper cuts the impact index by approximately half (see this story: http://envimpact.org/node/74 ), so it would not change the conclusion anyway.

Posted by andrzejc on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 11:16